Being positive in our approach to using VS to code X#

Phil Hepburn · Post by **Phil Hepburn** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:17 pm

Hi friends and colleagues,

I have been following and reading, all the new posts over the last few weeks, even though I have said nothing ;-0) Yep! - silent lurker !!

It seems to me that we need a new topic section in 'Pearls' to allow any VS user to post their tips, tricks, and general 'good' advice. We can even ask moaners and groans (and negative thinkers) to just 'keep out' !? Lets be positive about Visual Studio.

I am aware that there are quite a few VS 'happy' users who have lots of experience and also helpful advice to offer the rest of us guys.

Finally, on this new idea, we all need to realise that XIDE and VS both have very useful roles to play (side by side), and that there is no place to promote one in place of the other - or to put it another way, to 'slog off' one for the other - lets be grown up sensible professionals about this. We need to have both available to the X# community.

Some of us guys just have to use VS for a number of different professional reasons, period. I had to bite that bullet years back. These days, I just accept that I am one of these guys, even though in the past I had 2.5 happy and productive years with VIDE. It made a .NET man of me. Thanks Chris.

Shall we call the new Pearls section "making VS work for us!" - or have you a better name perhaps ?

Best Regards,
Phil.
Wales, UK.

P.S. and still spending a lot of time wood working, this will be cut down in the next month or so.

FFF · Post by **FFF** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:51 pm

Phil,
With due respect, but pls let your thought-police out here.
If my hammer hit's only every second nail, because it it crooked, i'll say so, period.

If MS wants VS to be a multi-purpouse "shell", rolling out updates with breaking changes without early and very clearly anouncing these, this is sh... and there's really no reason not to say so...
That has nothing to do if i "have to" use this tool or not nor for which reason i do so - or not.

Karl

wriedmann · Post by **wriedmann** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:06 pm

Hi Phil,

sincerely, I don't know if this makes any sense.

I have now looked at the Pearls section: nearly all threads are started by you, a few only by me, and a few by Frank and by Nick.
Therefore I don't think people will use a new VS pearls section (you excluded, of course).

Since I use XIDE, I have tried to post some tips about it, and published some articles about in my own blog, but I'm not sure this makes much sense, as everyone seems to have different needs.

And people seems to be to busy to post success stories - you will find more complaints. This seems to be human...

Wolfgang

Phil Hepburn · Post by **Phil Hepburn** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:28 pm

Sorry Wolfgang,

The VS tips section was to be included in the existing Pearls section. Nothing special about it - just another Pearls entry for those you read and visit.

Seems like you and Karl are suggesting to not bother !?

Regards,
Phil.

wriedmann · Post by **wriedmann** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:40 pm

Hi Phil,

yes, I don't think it makes much sense. But that is my personal opinion, and of course the decision is not mine. If the development decides to add this section, of course we have to accept it or to leave this forum.

Wolfgang

P.S. I agree with Karl that also negative feedbacks need to have their place. For sure a problem should not be posted to the Pearls section as it would be the wrong place.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:01 pm

Hi Wolfgang,

Well I wouldn't consider most posts as complaints, I think it's only natural when people deal with a new thing like x#, very often they will face problems so they ask in the forum for help, as expected.

For success stories, we have the Examples section of the website and I am sure the entries there will increase soon..

Chris

wriedmann · Post by **wriedmann** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:09 pm

Hi Chris,

yes, IMHO a support forum of course has messages about things that don't work - this is the sense of a support forum.

Rgearding the Examples, I'm not so optimistic.... I've put in production a few more X#/WPF applications the last weeks (one checks regularly the status of some webpages and writes the result in a SQLite database, another one uses the AdWords API to check the budgets of the ads, and the Adwords Statistics tool is finished, but not yet in production), but they are too small to be put in the Examples section.

Wolfgang

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:25 pm

Hi Wolfgang,

Well, I am optimistic about this

I've been in touch with many people by private email, helping out with porting VO apps to X#. Some apps are progressing very well, others are taking more time, but I'm pretty sure from what I hear by many that we will soon have more X# showcases to display (if people agree to demonstrate their apps in our website of course).

Chris

wriedmann · Post by **wriedmann** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:31 pm

Hi Chris,

Well, I am optimistic about this

Since I'm working only on my projects without many contacts, I don't know about this, and look forward to see more applications, and maybe some sample code.

Wolfgang

Phil Hepburn · Post by **Phil Hepburn** » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:09 pm

Yep Wolfgang,

Nothing wrong with negative feedback, especially if it is in the right place.

In Vulcan 'Pearls' (that I did for years) it was seen by users as a "Learning Zone", and therefore not the most appropriate place for negative postings.

When this was pointed out, guys like our friend Dick kindly moved there feedback items to other threads. I was hoping for something similar here in C#.

I am NOT asking for a new 'section' - just that a topic on VS in Pearls could be used by all to leave positive feedback, tips, tricks and suggestions / explanations etc., etc.

Best regards,
Phil.

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