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wriedmann wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 9:38 am Hi Kees,
I had written that in my first message, and the Powerpoint Presentation explains it even better.
Wolfgang

Hi Wolfgang,

Ah yes, I should have remembered. Sorry about that. I will investigate the code and see what I have to change in my application.

Thank you very much!

Kees.

Hi Kees

PMFJI But I have been following this with interest. You said that your intent is to "change all VO windows to Windows.Forms forms".

I would be interested to know why you have chosen the route you have. I cannot comment much about Windows Forms (I use mainly WPF), but it appears to me that following your route will end up with a significant amount of unnecessary code doing the same thing. "Too many cooks spoil the broth" to sum up one of Wolfgang's comments.

Terry.

Hi KTerry,

Kees said he will replace all VO Windows with Windows.Forms windows, so I do not understand why you say there will be unnecessary code doing the same thing. As you probably know, switching to Windows.Forms has a lot of advantages compared to staying with the VOGUI, from the top of my head:

- More stability
- 32/64 bit
- Unicode
- More available controls
- Thousands of 3rd party controls available to use

Hi Chris

Yes I agree. It was the ROUTE Kees appeared to be taking to get there that I was querying. It seemed to be a bit circuitous to me (a lot of learning - time consuming). Why not go straight there using VS?

Good to be in direct contact after so long. Hope all is well with you.

Terry

Hi Terry,

Yeah, it's been like 20+ years since the CULE.Net era
All good here (except we still have 33C in September...), hope you're doing fine also!

About the conversion, I assume the app was first converted from VO, which is easy enough to do quickly by still using the VOGUI classes and have a working X# version of the app. Converting further to Windows.Forms is a much more time consuming process.

Hi Robert, hi Chris,
there was somewhere a documentation about hosting a Windows Forms form in a VOGUI application, and about hosting a VOGUI window in a Windows Forms application. AFAIK that documentation was done by Paul P.
Unfortunately, I cannot find that anymore.
Maybe you can find it and add it to the X# help.
Thank you very much!
Wolfgang

Hi Wolfgang,

Yeah, I was thinking about that, too. Unfortunately, I can't find it either...

Hi Chris,
so I think I will have to search on old backups from the VN times.
On my current machine it was never installed (even if it is about 5 years old now...)
Wolfgang

Chris wrote: Tue Sep 09, 2025 1:26 pm Yeah, I was thinking about that, too. Unfortunately, I can't find it either...

Hi Chris,

Can you think of anyone who may still have this documentation? I would very much like to see it!

Kees.

Guys,
first: as imho whatever you find is Paul's property, why not contact him?
second: i found two wmf zips from 2011 here - vmm105_VOonWinFormApp and vmm104-800x500_WinformOnVO - is that, what you look for?
third: Wolfgang, i see "VOGuiWinforms.viaef" from you in 2019 here - would that help?